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Export motorcycle - esportazione

14074248

14074248 Inviato: 21 Gen 2013 12:37
Oggetto: Export motorcycle - esportazione

Hello everyone!

First of all, excuse me if i post my question in the wrong section...
I am from the netherlands and i am looking to import motorcycles from italy. I saw some very nice bike on Moto.it
However, the problem is that I don't speak italian, which makes it difficult for me to contact vendors. I have already tried to make contact bu sending emails but unfortunately I have not received any answer.
So, I am looking for any tips, tricks or advice that helps me.

In case anyone is really interested in helping me out... I think there are also ways to make it economically interesting for both parties!

Kind Regards,

Boyd Burgers

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14079321 Inviato: 23 Gen 2013 11:54

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14079627

14079627 Inviato: 23 Gen 2013 14:21

Hi!!

If you want, I can translate for you from Italian to English and from Enlish to Italian.

Just ask.

But I have to admit that I don't know the procedure to send bikes out of Italy.

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14083744

14083744 Inviato: 24 Gen 2013 23:53

i can't see any bike on that link, just Moto.it homepage.
However my first curiosity is.. why import from Italy.. i mean, i also live in netherlands and here when you buy a bike, with 10 euro, you register "her" on your name, in italy is really more expensive and is also far from netherlands.
what kind of motorcycles are you looking for?

For export a bike you need to:
- Radiation of the bike for export
- Return of the italian plate

There was a phone number?
If yes did you try to call him?

p.s. where do you live?

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14089877

14089877 Inviato: 28 Gen 2013 11:44

@ narkelion : Thank you for your reply! very kind that you would like to translate some messages for me if necessary. Maybe this week I will take some time to see whether i can find some interesting bikes. I'll keep you posted!

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14089909

14089909 Inviato: 28 Gen 2013 12:01

BurgB07 ha scritto:

No worries, I'm here!

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14089984

14089984 Inviato: 28 Gen 2013 12:40

@ j0zxr400:

I know but I still think it will be cheaper to import a bike from italy. Let me give an example:

Link a pagina di Moto.it

just a white ducati moster 696, as far as i can see in good condition... (price is excl. all accessories)

bike 4000
taxes (BPM) 340
license plate+bureaucratic stuff in NL) 120
transport to NL 500
radiation of the bike for export 200??

total: 5160 euro
sales price in NL: around 5800 euro??

- In this calculation i use the ask price of 4000, maybe I can get it a little cheaper.
- radiation? I estimated 200 euro, does anyone know if this is realistic?
- transport is of course a big cost... if you would buy 2 bikes, that ill save you 250 per bike...
- did I forget anything

I think it might even be interesting to put this bike at sale on the German market since you will get back the taxes (BPM) and my parents live close to Arnhem, so close to the german border.
I live in Tilburg:)

What do think of it j0zxr400?

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14090014

14090014 Inviato: 28 Gen 2013 12:52

Ok, that Ducati is really in good conditions. The vendor will sell you the accessories, exluding the exaust and the rear wheel (he bought a new one to mount the 180mm tire).

4000 is a good price, I've to admit. The radiation doesn't cost much, it is around 50€. The procedure is quite annoying though. If you want to make it easier, there's a way, but it costs more (minimum 100/150€, it depends on the agency you choose).

I think that it might be useful for you to come here and buy the bike directly, with no intermediate. A return plane ticket is about 100€... In this way you can see the bike, maybe try it for a couple of kilometers...

And finally... I think you'll have to pay also VAT... Which is 19% of the bike price.

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14094239 Inviato: 30 Gen 2013 0:24

I agree the bike looks very nice:)

ok, the radiation is less expensive than i thought. But to make sure I completely understand you.. with radiation you mean transfer of ownership and preparation of export documents?

I found this link about the radiation: Link a pagina di Aci.it
As far as I understand I have to go to the ACI office with the owner of the bike and fill out the papers mentioned on the ACI webpage.
Why do you think the procedure is annoying?

about the VAT... do i have to pay IVA in italy? i'm actually quite sure i do not have to pay VAT in the Netherlands since i bought the bike in Italy.
I have to pay BPM, which is actually a form of tax each vehicle that is registrated in the netherlands (based on original catalog price and age), but i already added this in my calculation.

Thanks again for helping me out!

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14094274

14094274 Inviato: 30 Gen 2013 0:43

BurgB07 ha scritto:

The ACI page you found is correct. The procedure is annoying because you have to present different documents (plates, property certificate, export paper, and "libretto", which is the main document of the bike).
The vendor (or you) has also to pay that price before going to the office, in any post office.

About radiation I mean the procedure to export a motorcycle or a car, deleting it from the Italian Vehicles Archives (that is not IVA

) by giving them back plates and documents.
I don't think that will be any transfer of ownship. The bike will be removed from any archive, and so it will be no-one's. You may ask the vendor to write a paper, signed by him, in which there's written that he actually sold the bike to you.

About VAT... You're right, you don't have to pay it, since we're in European union* (I have to add a character at the end of the word because the website blocks it) and those taxes are the same in all EU countries.

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14096602

14096602 Inviato: 31 Gen 2013 0:51

Maybe you have chances in netherlands but German i don't think, i think you can buy bikes in german to resell here.. heheh.

anyway it's not an annoyng procedur but it's not so fast as here.
They just erase it from italian motor register so then you need to register here to RDW and then you get netherlands paper and license plate.
You need to go to this office, A.C.I., WITH the seller, then i think you need to fill a formulary with your dates otherwise you can do on a white paper.
The seller have to bring the CDP, certificate of ownership, and the "carta di circolazione" bike's registration certificate, and license plate.
(remeber to check on the CDP that there are not actions (tickets,boetes,etc.) or then you can't buy it.
You will not pay anymore italian taxes but you will pay it in netherlands later. -.-
what you have to pay:

Importi per la richiesta di esportazione
Costi previsti per legge
Emolumenti ACI (Money for ACI

)
7,44 euro
Imposta di bollo (Taxes)
29,24 euro (se si utilizza il CdP come nota di presentazione)
Diritti Motorizzazione (RDW rights)
9,00 euro (per le sole esportazioni nei Paesi della U.E.) + costi per spese postali (+ shipping cost)
but i don't know if they do it in one day.., i mean, i rember years ago when if you buy something and you register it, you have to wait days befor get your new papers..
but i don't know if now is different.

Ultima modifica di j0zxr400 il 31 Gen 2013 0:59, modificato 2 volte in totale

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14096614

14096614 Inviato: 31 Gen 2013 0:58

after that of course you can't drive the bike and it's without insurance.
i think best way is buy 2 o more bikes (if finances permit it

) to split the cost of transport that i think is the second more expensive cost after bikes, about a thousand kilometers only to reach italy.
for rest you need help just ask

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14096717

14096717 Inviato: 31 Gen 2013 1:33

When you export a bike, the procedure acts immediately. Once you've given the plate back, the bike is removed from our archive and it can be added on another one.

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14096730 Inviato: 31 Gen 2013 1:46

narkelion ha scritto:

When you export a bike, the procedure acts immediately. Once you've given the plate back, the bike is removed from our archive and it can be added on another one.

j0zxr400

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14127436

14127436 Inviato: 13 Feb 2013 11:45

Hi BurgB07

as a matter of fact i am italian, i live in amsterdam, i can read "an average dutch" and speak a bit and i got two motorbikes from italy to the nederlands.

moreover they both got stolen in amsterdam and i am just waiting for the insurance to pay me, then i will go to italy to buy another one, for the same reason that you are saying.

the first time the transport on a truck costed me 300e, the second time it costed 370e.
this time i would like to drive it till the nederlands as it will be something like 150-200e of gasoline, and i will enjoy also the trip!
why? because in both cases the motorbike never arrived without scratches. both times i had some scratches on the sides or on the front wheel plastic (sorry i don't know the name in english of that).

other things to add?
as you already know when you want to export you need some documents from the ACI and to give back the plate.
my idea is to keep the italian plate and do the change here in the nederlands.
in alternative i heard that some dutch insurance companies can insure a bike on the serial number and not on the plate, just temporarily of course. if it was possible for real it would be great for both of us, as we can do the export documents in italy and put directly the dutch insurance and drive here (or put it in a truck but already insured for theft).

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14127483

14127483 Inviato: 13 Feb 2013 11:58

@burg07

can you maybe check on that? if it is possible really to insure on the serial number? it will take me days to sort it out with my level of dutch...

other options? we can rent a truck together and share the expenses if there is no way of having an insurance nor to keep the italian plate.
(where do you live?)

ah i forgot: when you pay the bike you can go immediately with the previous owner not just to ACI, but to other agencies that do the job of registering the export and giving back the plate and so on for you. as you said the price is around 200-250 euros.

And in one case the truck company for export was willing to pick the motorbike directly at my place and to bring it to the RDW in amsterdam north-west.

As you see it is always a big deal:
1) go and choose the bike (pay a flight ticket) a monday
2) if it is good (because i wouldn't buy a bike on the internet, no way) you can issue a check or pay cash or whatever and go with the owner to the agencies for motorbike/plate dismissal on the tuesday.
3) then? wait?? call the truck and put it in.
4) receive it in the nederland (no insurance at the moment, high risk) and RDW check (previous appointment).
5) again high risk till you get the plate requested and printed. where do you put the bike?
6) screw the plate on the back, call the insurace and ride away..

that's what i did....

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14127500

14127500 Inviato: 13 Feb 2013 12:03

of course it would be nice to make it a job eventually, and i am open to that...
but first the whole process should work-easyly for a couple of motorbikes at least...my next one for instance

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14135706

14135706 Inviato: 16 Feb 2013 20:55

Hello everyone,

First of all i would like everyone for their tips and advice. Although i have not yet found the right bike i have a better understanding of all the procedures and everything that is involved when i buy a bike in Italy.

I have been away for a couple weeks because i had to move. Now i have some more time again so i can start looking for a nice bike! I realized it might be better to start with only one bike in order to get known with the paperwork, transport, etc.
Besides that I would like to import a bike that i like to ride myself. In case I am not able to sell it on a short term i can enjoy riding the bike myself.

I actually came across a nice monster 1100 S. I am curious what you guys think about it, so i will post a link later on...

Thanks again!

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14135750 Inviato: 16 Feb 2013 21:20

@motoinox,

Hey,

I'm sorry to hear they got stolen! Are they stolen from the truck that transported them? What kind of motorbikes were it?

I thought about transport per truck too, but as you say there is quite some risk they get damaged.

Actually a friend of my has a Renault master, which i am able to borrow for a low price. I think you can store up to 3 bikes in this van... so this might be an option as well!

Driving it from Italy to the netherlands is also an option. As you say it is less expensive and we can make a nice trip! In that case insurance is the big problem but I think it should be possible... I remember I read a story on the internet from a dutch guy who actually did that. as far as I can remember he just phoned the insurance company and gave them the last 4 digits of the serial number/ registration number (in dutch: meldcode). Of course he informed the insurance upfront but that was all he needed to do in order to insure the bike (temporary).

I am actually glad you replied! It would be nice if we can help each other out!

Next week I give my insurance company (ANWB) a call about the possibilities!

I actually live near Arnhem. But if you are serious about this maybe we can meet somewhere in amsterdam or maybe utrecht to discuss some things. I will send you my email adress in a private message so you can contact me if you would like to.

Regards

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14135955

14135955 Inviato: 16 Feb 2013 23:54

Just one thing: to pay your bike, you CAN'T use cash. Actually, since 1st Genuary 2012, no payment above 999€ can be made using cash.

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14223211 Inviato: 25 Mar 2013 12:50

arghhhhhhhh i need to buy an other bike. mine one is gonna be sell and i was looking on marktplaats and other site but price are crazy now. 3000 euro for one srad...
So i also thinking to go to italy, buy one and come back with her.
Afternoon i make a couple of call and then i let you know how is going.

however. gsxr from 2000 in nederland ask 3,700 euro, in italy 2000euro..

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14229190

14229190 Inviato: 27 Mar 2013 15:34

motoinox ha scritto:

I'm insured with KNMV. i called them and they told me they insure only bikes with ducth license plate, there aren't other solutions with them.
Do you know wich company do it only with meldcode?

I also asked for provvisory license plate here in netherlands but they do it only for cars.
so i have to go to italy, buy the bike, make paper for esportation and then ask for provvisory license plate over there. it will takes around 5 days after i bought the bike, and i don't like to wait!
nobody knows if i can do it in other way?
p.s. i must drive the bike back to holland..

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16068844

16068844 Inviato: 1 Mag 2019 3:11

How did you guys get on with the buying bikes in Italy. I was also thinking of buying a large automatic scooter and riding in back from Northern Italy and up the French Atlantic coast and catch a ferry from St Malo/Le Havre back to Ireland.

The only downside is that from your posts the beuracracy could take a week. Previously albeit 10 years back since I've done this I always bought my bikes in the UK and the seller would give me V5 as I needed the "foreign" paperwork to register to bike in Ireland.

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16081551

16081551 Inviato: 13 Giu 2019 11:43

j0zxr400 ha scritto:

People from Eastern Europe are usually looking for cheap, damaged bikes from Italy, Spain etc. repair them, and sell for a profit. That's probably the main reason

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